Young players, experienced players and Defenders.

I have often wondered why Arsene Wenger chooses young players over experience. The common thinking is that it all comes down to money.  That the building of the new stadium has led to such financial restraints that Arsenal are now not competetive in the transfer market.

Another view is that ‘Wengerball’ is so much at the heart of  his ethos that for it to work only young players can be moulded to play his way.

Don’t  footballers develop their own style of play from a young age anyway and unless you get them before they’re 10 arn’t you flogging a dead horse? Don’t they need to be showing flashes of ‘Wengerball” for Arsene to be interested in them in the first place?

I think this could be why Arsene has a problem buying defenders – obviously I can hear you all groaning – because he wants his whole team to play ‘Wengerball’ when maybe he needs to break his team down into those that need to play ‘Wengerball’ and those that don’t. I love it when Toure goes on a run higher and higher up the pitch until he reaches the point where neither he nor anyone else knows what he should do next. Pass the ball I scream but he doesn’t because he doesn’t play ‘Wengerball’.

Do central defenders need to be good at ‘Wengerball’? In my opinion they don’t – they need to be good at defending and able to pass the ball out to the mid-field.

We do need players that can fit into the system – but too often we have new or newly promoted talented players that are played out of position and the ‘Wengerball’ suffers. Does Arsene feel that utilising young talented players in any position is better than actually buying a player for that position?

On current evidence the answer would seem to be yes; maybe this is what needs to change. In planting design we have an adage for successful planting ‘Right plant, Right place’. We have so many square pegs being shoved into round holes (- thankyou rasputin) – that I wonder how many players actually know their role.


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68 Responses to Young players, experienced players and Defenders.

  1. peachesgooner says:

    Evening/Morning – what shall we call ourselves?

    Something to think about eh 😆

  2. Rasputin says:

    Excellent post peaches – offering a view doesn’t have to a definitive statement, more like thinking aloud. It’s late so I’m off to bed, expect plenty of comment tomorrow. Nite nite

  3. kelsey says:

    Morning Sagas 😉

    Peaches you have written what a lot of us feel.When you talk about our system,it’s the way all our teams play under Wenger,and personally I see no need for a traditional big striker,especially Ade,who invariablt drifts out to the wing when the ball is crossed.i feel the boss is stifling the natural game of some of the players,and because he supposedly has no money unless he sells first before buying,several players are being told to play in their unnatural positions,because of lack of quality in depth in the squad and the unbelievable amount of injuries(groin strains)which surely should be analised.Some say because we physically have a lightweight squad,the sudden twists and turns aggrevate these injuries,which bigger more physical players can cope with,but it is only a theory.

    With regards to the forthcoming control of our club,it is a hard call.Usmanov is not just going to pay off our debt without some decent return,and Kroenke a man with more sports knowledge and I feel a more sincere love of football is IMO the better choice.It is not about making a bigger brand name in the U.S.A. it is a world wide market he is looking at.Ladies football has a bigger following than men’s in America.

    Another thing,it is common knowledge that when Abramovich wanted to buy his own football club,his first choice was Spurs,but they wouldn’t negotiate,Bates who was near to bankrupting Chelsea to the tune of some 80 million,got into bed and somehow got into bed with Abromavich.
    On the other hand Usmanov,is reportedly to be a Man U supporter,but I feel that is not the issue,I feel he wants to challenge his fellow russian,first and foremost to make Arsenal a better team again and it’s more of an ego trip for him and a new toy,to spend some of his ill gotten gains.
    The club have to make a decision if they really want to compete,and an injection of funds is needed now.Not 100 of millons but enough to buy 2 or 3 players(something we should have done some 3 years ago.)
    Then it gets even more complicated,because Wenger is a grat manager,but appears to has lost his way and his stubborness and various quotes don’t make sense anymore.Would he use the funds if he was given them,who knows ?.Would he walk out if we were taken over and he didn’t sign the players we really need.Again who knows.
    The short summer is a really big ecision time for all concerned.

    This is just my opinion,I will talk about the individual players,next time.Kelsey.

  4. kelsey says:

    I obviously didn’t copy and paste the above,which is littered with spelling mistakes,sorry.

  5. Rasputin says:

    Morning beachbums (just a suggestion 😉 )

    I would it! if Adebayor went to the chavs to replace Dogbreath as is being reported this morning, but I really can’t see it happening.

    I know I’m going to get lots of facetious answers, but how little do you think we’d be prepared to take for him? I’d let him go for anything over 10 million

  6. Rasputin says:

    What do I mean ‘let him go’ I’d drug him and drive him to the airport personally…..

  7. peachesgooner says:

    Morning kelsey – I’ve missed your early morning thoughts 🙂

    I love our system, the way we play – or used to play more like. How many of the team need to play ‘Wengerball’?

  8. peachesgooner says:

    You’d only need to pack his bags and drive him across the river 🙂

    Morning rasp

  9. Rasputin says:

    The way I see it, the degree of requirement to play ‘wengerball’ increases the further you get up the pitch = need, CB’s 20%, wingbacks 40%, midfielders 100%, strikers 80% (20% killer instinct!)

  10. Rasputin says:

    Morning peaches…how do you feel about being called ‘beachbums’?

  11. peachesgooner says:

    rasp – ‘beachbums’ is ok, only prob is only one of us lives near the beach 🙂

    Grafters is more like it 😆

    I agree with your percentages shall I send it through to Arsene or do you want to write a full report 🙂

  12. Rasputin says:

    I suppose ‘Stranglers’ would have the wrong connotation 😦

  13. peachesgooner says:

    Yes rasp – Stranglers would not be suitable 🙂

    ‘Peachettes’ – do you want to be in my gang?

  14. Rasputin says:

    I’m far too macho for that peaches 😳

  15. peachesgooner says:

    You’re dead right there 😆

  16. Airforceone says:

    Hello …

  17. Irishgunner says:

    Ok don’t know where “Airforceone” came from 😆 that was me Peaches

  18. peachesgooner says:

    Hiya – I know you just want to take over the world 🙂

    Agree about Wenger staying for sure – Ade to go hopefully and where do you think Diaby’s best position is?

  19. Irishgunner says:

    Diaby best position is as a player plus cash exchange for Lorik Cana 🙂

  20. Rasputin says:

    Hi Irish – Cana is a beast!

  21. Irishgunner says:

    Hi Rasputin – He is and we need a beast in midfield.

  22. peachesgooner says:

    Ha ha Irish 🙂 – Arsene did expect Diaby to step into Vieiras boots, his feet must have grown too much cos he isn’t a DM so if we keep him for another year what is he?

    I think he could be a no 10 but we’ve got loads of those now – they’re queueing up to be no 10 – Arshavin, Theo, Nasri…….

  23. Irishgunner says:

    I do think Diaby is talented but he has no football intelligence. I don’t think he is worth keeping to get just one good game in ten from him. I think we would get good money for him or to use as part of a cash plus money exchange.

  24. peachesgooner says:

    Yep I agree we should sell him – it must be hard for Arsene to let players go that havn’t reached their potential with us – you wouldn’t want them to go and be stunning somewhere else…..

    Thats how I feel about van Persie – I really want him to be fantastic, he has the potential to be awesome……..maybe without ade it’ll be better.

    Has van Persie scored from a single free kick this season?

  25. Irishgunner says:

    Don’t think he has, he hasn’t taken many has he?

    I always wondered where RvP fits in – he can’t really play up front on his own and isn’t great as a second striker. I reckon AW should try a Barcelona like attack with RvP on the left, what do you think?

  26. peachesgooner says:

    Robin plays on the left for Holland doesn’t he – I think thats a plan. You know my team set-up 4-1-5 – it was coined as ‘peachesball’ on another site.

    Its basically a mid-field of 6 with someone defensive sitting in front of the back four – all the others attack attack attack – Cesc, Nasri, Theo, Arshavin, Robin/Nikki

  27. Irishgunner says:

    😆 “Peachesball” I love it.

    My team for next season which is very attainable if Wenger listens to me ha ha is:

    —————– Almunia —————–

    Sagna —— Gallas —- Hangeland —— Clichy

    ——————– Cana ———————–

    Rosicky ———– Fabregas ———– Van Persie

    ——————- Arshavin ——————–

    ——————- Eduardo ———————-

    Subs: Fabianski, Gibbs, Djourou, Nasri, Walcott, Bendtner, Song, Denilson, Ramsey, Wilshere, Eboue

    No big money signings needed

  28. Irishgunner says:

    Maybe my formation is rubbish but anyways….

    If I was been greedy I’d like us to sign Benezema but I don’t see that happening

  29. Rasputin says:

    How many red cards a season do you think Cana would get if he played in the Prem Irish?

    I love the guy but I’m not sure refs would be so lenient. For years players like Gary neville have got away with persistent fouling, but Cana is like Roy Keane on a bad day and twice the size 🙂

  30. Irishgunner says:

    Ha ha Rasputin

    Cana would do the trick and Hangeland at the back. Arsenal don’t have any players that the opposition are afraid of, time to change that.

    I used to be nearly afraid of Martin Keown myself 😆

    Having said that, Vidic was brushed off the ball very easily last night for Wigan’s goal.

  31. peachesgooner says:

    Irish – I see you’re still hopeful of Rosicky returning to the team 🙂

    Pedros post re-inforces the point more than mine that not all players need to be technically fabulous, some need to have heart and determination and thats what we’re missing at the moment.

  32. Rasputin says:

    Would you prefer Cana to Veloso? Hangeland to Lescott say?

  33. Irishgunner says:

    I’m ever confident Peaches. It seems to be a mental block that is keeping Rosicky out at the moment.

    The thing is, we need players willing to die for the club. Like Gerrard at Liverpool – although he wouldn’t be there had they not won the CL in 2006, everything can be bought these days.

  34. peachesgooner says:

    When I sat at the Emirates last tuesday night and we went 2 down, I looked at the team and thought just that – where is our Steven Gerrard?

  35. Irishgunner says:

    I don’t know much of Veloso – he just seems to be a newsnow fancy.

    I rather Jagelika over Lescott. Just a defender who is a defender first and a footballer second.

    If only we could find a Tony Adams, Martin Keown or one of the best I have seen – Paul McGrath!!

  36. Irishgunner says:

    I know Roy Keane isn’t every Arsenal’s fan flavour (but I am Irish 😉 ) he would rather die on the pitch than be walked over like that.

  37. peachesgooner says:

    Who do you want rasp? You wanted Cana last summer – don’t you think Arsene could tame him?

    Put your link up to your best Arsene team from the bleacher report- I thought it was fabulous – Emmanuel Petit and Patrick Vieira – I can’t see how any team in the world will ever be able to top that. Makes me want to cry – I couldn’t beleive it when the boss less Manu go…….I thought Vieira wouldn’t recover

  38. peachesgooner says:

    Thats what I mean about a defender – they have a job to do – they need to defend and if they can play football too its a bonus – like goalkeepers…….

  39. Irishgunner says:

    In a perfect world you have a CB who can play football as well but the other just throws his head at the ball, kicks it to row z etc.

    Manchester United have it with Ferdinand (can play football) and Vidic (row z guy).

  40. Rasputin says:

    Jagielka – that’s agodd call. A year ago I’d have loved to see Micah Richards, but he’s had an indifferent season. Veloso is apparently a bit of a playboy, but he is very powerful, covers a lot of ground and can take a wicked freekick

  41. peachesgooner says:

    ……and we already have a kick it to row Z kind of guy in Phillipe Senderos……do you think he’ll come back or be sold?

  42. Irishgunner says:

    Richards seems more interested in flash cars than football.

    I would have taken Richard Dunne a year ago but he has had a terrible season for City – thing is himself and O’Shea have been very good for Ireland. Suppose Trappattoni overseeing you is different.

  43. Irishgunner says:

    Sold I reckon Peaches – Wenger doesn’t trust him and he didn’t get much playing time at AC Milan.

    Although you never do know….

  44. Rasputin says:

    Big Phil to Villa and a cut price Barry ( 8million) the other way. 4 year contract and sell him in 2 for a small loss – by then LJ, Merida and Ramsey will be immense…am I dreaming?

  45. peachesgooner says:

    Wake up rasp its morning 🙂

  46. Irishgunner says:

    I’m not all that gone on Barry to be honest – but he’d be better than Song/Denilson

  47. Rasputin says:

    I think Ramsey will be the real deal in a couple of years…a cross between Steven Gerrard and Cesc, but in the meantime he needs good role models to learn from.

    The current squad has too many players that would be great as back-up from the bench and not enough ‘first name on the teamsheet’ type players. Diaby is definitely an impact off the bench player IMO….. I wouldn’t lose any sleep if we sold him. I do think we need to reduce the wage bill – back to bye bye TT then 😉

  48. Irishgunner says:

    I would not cry a tear of the following left:


    I would have some sort of party if the following came:


    (and if Eduardo and Rosicky got back to full fitness)

  49. Rasputin says:

    Can I come to your party Irish? 😛

    I would personally be happy to see Randall added to that list and then there are the loaners like Barazite (I used to rate him) and of course Traore.

    I don’t think we’ll pay the money for Benzema, I’d be overjoyed to sell Ade for 25m and buy RSC for 15m (I like Nik but he could go too if RSC joined us)

  50. Irishgunner says:

    Of course you can Rasputin and it would be a VIP affair 😉

    I used to like Santa Cruz but I’m not so sure, I was surprised he went to Blackburn in the first place – thought he was better than that.

  51. Rasputin says:

    I know what you mean Irish, but anyone who can get a hattrick in a 5:3 loss has to be a good player. He’s 6ft 3, can use both feet and is good with his head. Its just if AW thinks we need a big striker option, I reckon he’d be good for us. He’s not getting the service we could supply at Blackburn and he obviously has ambition because he has been honourable and let it be known that he wants to leave and they can make some money on him.

    Shall I bring red wine, white wine or Guiness? 🙂

  52. Irishgunner says:

    Cider 😉

    Wenger would see RSC as “killing” Bendtner… They are similar strikers I think expect RSC has more experience and at the moment is the better player.

    I say to hell with it and put in a bid for Benzema

  53. Rasputin says:

    What do you think Benzema would cost? It would give us a TH type player up front (in terms of quality). If he had a couple of 25 plus ‘goals a season’ seasons, his value would go through the roof…could we keep hold of him? I sighed when I saw how good Annelka is the other night. TH and Anelka up fron together would have been interesting…possibly too similar but potentially devastating.

    Strongbow or Magners?

  54. peachesgooner says:

    I agree with Irish there rasp – RSC would push Nikki back down the pecking order.

    Irish – I get the message you’d kinda like Benzema – shall I take a banner to the stadium for you 🙂

    I have to go and do some stuff outdoors for a while, thanks for poppin on Irish, catch you later 😉

  55. Irishgunner says:

    Magners – we call it Bulmers here. Ye have a different Bulmers over in England, its not nice….

    You’d be looking at £25mil at least for Benzema but we’d get that from selling Adebayor.

    Peaches – Ha ha he is a strong guy, great shot, can lead the line on his own and score from headers – top striker.

    Catch you later 😀

  56. peachesgooner says:

    I agree about Anelka – he was good wasn’t he – but if he hadn’t sulked off we’d have never had Thierry…..and all sorts of other things might not have happened……..spooky 🙂

  57. Rasputin says:

    Do you think that Nik will be as good as RSC in the next 2 years? and more importantly, can we afford to wait?

    I’m off for a while also….catch you later – thanks Irish & Peaches

  58. Irishgunner says:

    Bendtner will be a top class striker – just needs to get those finishing boots on.

  59. Rasputin says:

    Not the pink ones then 😉

    I hope he does make the grade because I like his attitude. He scores a lot of goals for Denmark. I think he just wants it too much at the moment and tightens up when he gets sight of the goal…. a far better footballer than Ade IMO and unlike Ade, he will improve. He’s hardly ever offside too 😆

  60. Rasputin says:

    Right I’m definitely off for a bit…. in the biblical sense 😳

  61. Irishgunner says:

    😆 No not the pink ones.

    Unlike Adebayor, Bendtner looks like he actually cares.

  62. Rasputin says:

    Joking apart Irish, I agree absolutely that you can see that Nik really cares and gives his all….the opposite of the impression Ade gives…… I know its just his way, but whne he lopes back with a wide grin every time he’s caught offside it just makes my blood boil!

  63. peachesgooner says:

    Evening all

    Anyone about, thanks rasp for keeping an eye, shame you had work to do 😆

  64. Rasputin says:

    Evening peaches,

    It must be the best day so far for your embryonic blog 😉

  65. Big Raddy says:

    It’s strange about Adebayor. I love to see players with a smile on their face, it makes them more ‘human’ It was what made Gazza so entertaining. But somehow Ade’s smile really grates on me.

    More than grates , I want to pay someone to punch him (being totally non-violent myself!).

  66. peachesgooner says:


    NEW POST………

  67. peachesgooner says:

    raddy – thats a very aggressive remark for 10.48 in the evening 🙂 Have you had a stressful day?

    Sorry I wasn’t here when you popped in – catch up tomoro I hope 😆

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